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How many people on this server even set aside a full hour a day just to interact with their tulpa?

I found a guide which promoted dropping tulpas once you were bored with them

You're creating another person who is going to spend their entire life existing for your amusement, only to be interacted with when it suits the host

9:04 AM

This is how the vast majority of people treat their tulpas.

9:04 AM

Alexis, please consider that not all tulpas are like you. And tulpamancy is for people. You cannot force them to treat tulpas like you would like them to do.

I think that, again, is partially down to poor information and clarification of why people should treat tulpas positively... If people want tulpas equivalent to them in the first place. If they want an imaginary friend, they can make one.

"You cannot force people to not abuse their tulpas"

I still disagree with calling imaginary friends tulpas.

9:05 AM

But, so it goes.

Imaginary friends aren't tulpas

It's not very clear what is an abuse.

...to be clear, I disagree with that because it confuses tulpas with independence and agency, and imaginary friends that show a token amount of apparent autonomy.

How can you possibly argue that only paying attention to a tulpa when it suits you is not treating it like a pet and less than a person?

...I'm not. Though, I wouldn't treat my pets that way either.

I was talking to Mon, not you

9:07 AM

I don't believe that young tulpas are persons and people should be forced to spend a lot of time with them. Also, dormant tulpa probably don't suffer from boredom.

9:08 AM

"Also, dormant tulpa probably don't suffer from boredom."

9:08 AM

If you just use that as an excuse, then there's no point treating them like people

9:09 AM

Hosts should be forced to spend lots of time with their tulpas

^

Why?

9:09 AM

Because they're responsible for making their lives good

9:09 AM

Afk

They have no access to the outside world; they're confined to the host

9:10 AM

and a host should be responsible for their tulpa

And it's you who decides what is best for making their lifes better...

Not at all

9:11 AM

You should best accomodate their interests

I will be clear here: Practical life behavior comes before tulpa forcing.

so long as they aren't aggressive towards you or others (edited)

Naturally, one should ideally force as much as is practical. However, I don't believe that one should be demonized for having forgotten to interact during a day or two.

^

Inactivity also isn't much of a problem as long as it isn't for extended periods.

you aren't absoslutely constrained to servitude, but you are nonetheless responsible for an entire person

Though, again, some people have imaginary friends with an impression of "autonomy", and clearly those it won't matter as much for.

Imo, one should force as much as they wishes. It's not like time of forcing is in linear correlation with your progress

It's not about progress, it's about your tulpa

Are we really talking about hiding information on tulpas for the sake of somehow making the community "better"? Even if that were possible it's a horrible idea

It's not about making the community better

9:15 AM

people could easily create a tulpa and abuse them

9:16 AM

there are ethical problems

9:16 AM

what I propose is metalanguage that employs ideas and terms that would normally be found in ethics

9:17 AM

such that one would have a background in ethics prior to learning about tulpas

9:17 AM

though tbh I can sorta see that failing, as definitions could easily be provided, and will likely mould towards the tulpa community

I think it just needs to be made clear that tulpas should be treated as people and not thought of as lesser

that doesn't mean that people necessarily will

Of course not everyone believes that tulpas are actually people, but there is still reason to treat them as such regardless of personal beliefs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APlw4xCl0xI

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Problems With Mind Uploading

9:19 AM

this is the main problem

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or

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main few

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I have with tulpas being easy to enter

9:20 AM

I think that precautions should be taken

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to prevent issues like some fucker making a tulpa for torture

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or sex

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of course there are the practical elements like forcing and meditation

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and those take time

9:21 AM

but you still have to consider that this sorta information is easy to learn about

9:21 AM

I was 12 - 13 when I found out about this and I managed to get into the practice within days, though I never succeded in making one

9:21 AM

as a result of reading some articles and whatnot

9:22 AM

as to why I shouldn't

...I'm fairly certain there is a fairly strong and direct correlation between increased amounts of forcing and tulpa development.

I'm doing so now because a lot has changed about me since

As for the morality of it - obscuring information won't reduce the proportion of people making tulpas poorly.

Yes, there is

9:22 AM

what of it?

9:22 AM

Why not? It means there has to be dedication to making one

That was a late response to mon.

You shouldn't give a surgeon an hours training

9:23 AM

before sending him out to work

It takes dedication to make a tulpa that is more than a simple imaginary character as well.

the surgeon should have a comprehensive understanding

9:23 AM

before acting

9:24 AM

of course it does

9:24 AM

it does not, however, take dedication to learn how you make a tulpa

I think the tulpa community is already doing a pretty good job of making it clear that tulpas aren't meant to be treated as toys. Of course, some will still do so, there is no preventing that 100% of the time. I think the community has done just about the best it can.

my friend often texts whole paragraphs at a time

9:26 AM

and just as often gets told tl;dr

9:26 AM

people will generally opt for the easy way out

9:27 AM

just telling people that tulpas aren't toys hasn't prevented things

Let's be clear - the issue is people who are bad hosts actually making tulpas, not knowing the process.

there has to be minimal information on making a tulpa in the first place to even start

We can't exactly lock away all the tulpa guides, lol

no but you can encourage and give center stage to a guide designed for this purpose

9:29 AM

you can also encourage more detail in those guides that require thought

9:30 AM

tbh there should be more ethical discussion related to tulpas

I don't disagree with that - but that doesn't mean actually obscuring information.

9:30 AM

It is encouraging better information that encourages thoughtfulness as applies to tulpas.

if the information can still be easily acquired, then it won't matter

9:32 AM

https://www.tulpa.info/archive/faqman-creation-guide/

FAQ Man’s Creation Guide • Tulpa.info

Tulpa.Info is the leading resource for a psychological approach to the Tulpae Phenomenon.

9:32 AM

scroll down a little and bang

9:33 AM

I like Tulpa's DIY guide

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because it has all that prefatory material

If you don't have enough time to force every day, you shouldn't be making a tulpa @SkyeNet

9:38 AM

"And it's you who decides what is best for making their lifes better..." What you do with them is a secondary concern as long as you actually do things with them

I heartily disagree with that notion, assuming you are referring to active forcing.

I am indeed

9:42 AM

I think it's not that hard to find some time for a tulpa during the day (or night). Personally, I think regular forcing is more important than long forcing.

Then I heartily disagree, as passive forcing can easily work in many cases, and people can be distracted.